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End of theTripShip dream for Dún Laoghaire? – Ossian Smyth Ossian Smyth Green Party Councillor for Dún Laoghaire Menu HomeWell-nighme Priorities Latest News Press Get involved Donate Contact End of theTripShip dream for Dún Laoghaire? Now that Dublin Port has won final permission for a double trip ship dock, there is no possibility that Dún Laoghaire Harbour Company’s trip plans are viable. It sounded like such a unconfined idea.Tripships would dock in Dún Laoghaire – and not just any ships; these would be the largest trip ships in the world. They would disgorge wealthy tourists to shop and eat and revitalise our port town. The ships would pay giant berthing fees and the Harbour would regain the income it used to earn from the now defunct high-speed ferry to Holyhead. Then, in July, just without Dun Laoghaire had unromantic for permission, Dublin Port obtained final planning permission to construct a double dock for trip ships next to the Point Depot and the East Link Bridge. Dublin Port’s Proposed double trip ship dock This will have twice the topics of Dún Laoghaire’s proposal and will bring passengers closer to the major municipality centre tourist attractions. It will use the same funding from the EU and from the Irish government that Dún Laoghaire had hoped to access. So, plane if Dún Laoghaire obtains planning permission in a year or two from now, it is very unlikely that the project will be viable. It might seem like a thwarting for Dún Laoghaire, but Dublin Port may have saved us from a poor investment. The reality of trip ship customers Plenty of studies like this: Economic Contribution ofTripTourism to the Destination Economies have measured how much passengers spend when a trip ship docks in a town. The passengers have self-ruling supplies on workbench so they don’t eat out in the town’s restaurants. In fact many don’t scarecrow disembarking at all. Of those who do come ashore, most workbench a tour bus to visit the major national attractions: the Book of Kells, Glendalough, the Guinness Brewery.  Those who walk virtually the town, may buy some jewelry or a small gift. So the cruise ship passengers will not be the solution to the problem of so many sealed shops on Georges Street. How the stereotype trip ship passenger spends money on shore visits in the Caribbean There definitely would be a goody to the town from the inrush of a large number of trip passengers – it just won’t be as large a goody as we might expect. Cobh has wits of trip ship trade withal its docks for the past few years and when I spoke to residents of the town, they told me that most passengers workbench tour buses to visit attractions like the Blarney stone, Fota and CorkMunicipalitywith a small but welcome trade for Cobh itself. Photo montage of proposed trip ship dock as seen from the East Pier, Dun Laoghaire The mindfulness value of the Harbour. The Harbour should of undertow try to recover its running financing from commercial activity but over the years it has ripened many uneaten uses as a public amenity. One million people per year walk the East Pier. Three yacht clubs line the seafront with many children learning to sail every summer. Rowing, diving, swimming,  boarding and other marine sports take place in the Coal Harbour and the Gut. The planned trip ships would have been oversized for the harbour, nearly reaching the harbour mouth from the shore, creating a giant wind unravel and dividing the harbour in two. The international sailing competitions that take place in the harbour each year could not happen. Dun Laoghaire Harbour is the most important venue for youth sail training and international sailing events in Ireland and attracts considerable merchantry to the town from participants who stay and shop and  live onshore during these events.Tripship staring at the Dún Laoghaire library Did it overly add up? The projected forfeit of the project is €18m. This covers the forfeit of the dock but moreover dredging a deep trench through the harbour which would otherwise be too shallow for these massive vessels. The Harbour visitor wrote a merchantry specimen in 2011. Dún LaoghaireTripDockMerchantryCase 2011 A newer merchantry specimen was included with the recent planning application. This includes some bizarrely optimistic assumptions. For example, every ship over 300m will segregate to dock in Dun Laoghaire rather than at either of the new trip piers in Dublin Port. It moreover predicts that a new trip pier in Dun Laoghaire would vamp an spare 247 vessels. Given that the season lasts at most for 180 days (April-September), attracting 247 spare vessels is far-fetched. DKM report on Economic Impact Report of DLTripShip Pier Dún Laoghaire Harbour visitor does not have the reserves for this project and would have to infringe most of the capital. In their merchantry case, they talk well-nigh a ‘secured loan’, which makes one wonder which part of the Harbour they will use as security for this project. Is the pier to be mortgaged? While Dún Laoghaire Harbour is making a loss on its operation, Dublin Port made €26m profit in 2013 and is well worldly-wise to sire such a large commercial, speculative investment – with or without state funds. DL Harbour had moreover hoped to get funding from the EU and the state, however these persons may be unwilling to fund two port trip ships docks so tropical to one flipside that would powerfully be competing with each other. Environmental Impact A ship like Oasis of the Seas with 6,000 passengers and hairdo uses a huge quantity of diesel – up to 27,000 litres per hour.Planewhile idling in the port it needs to power its air workout and electrical systems. The ship is equivalent to a 100MW diesel power plant in the harbour and would forfeiture local residential air quality. Map ofTripPier plan for Dún Laoghaire Harbour The whilom map shows the zone marked in red that would require dredging to cut a waterworks deep unbearable for a trip ship to pass through. Hundreds of thousands of cubic metres of spoil would be removed from the sea floor – withal with anything working – and then dumped elsewhere at sea. So what happens now? You can make a submission to An Bórd Pleanála for a fee of €50. The details of the specimen are listed here. This is the guide to making a submission. The deadline for submissions is 27th August 2015. update 24/11/2015 You can read my submission to An Bord Pleanála here: Green Party Dún LaoghaireTripShip Submission   End of theTripShip dream for Dún Laoghaire? Tagged on: Dún Laoghaire Ossian August 11, 2015November 24, 2015 Latest News 11 Comments ← How to get your water tested for lead in Dublin Nursing Home and Lidl tried for Sallynoggin → 11 thoughts on “End of theTripShip dream for Dún Laoghaire?” Conan KennedyAugust 11, 2015 at 5:52 pmPermalink Rarely do I find myself like-minded with the Green Party, so congratulations on a first. As a fifth generation DunLaoghaire native, now exiled in sunnier climes,. I find the proposal to be grotesque. TinoAugust 12, 2015 at 12:29 pmPermalink It would be a remarkable folly to lumber the Harbour with massive debt and destroy the mindfulness by the construction of such a monstrosity on the understructure of such a bizarrely optimistic merchantry plan. One can see why there were 2 resignations ofWorkbenchmembers of DL Harbour in the wake of this and the hare-brained Urban waterfront proposal! Colm KeeganAugust 12, 2015 at 4:55 pmPermalink Interesting vendible although I think some selective quoting of figures there (particularly the shit well-nigh Dun Laoghaire charging ‘giant berthing fees’, attracting an ‘additional 247 trip ships’) but that’s just a minor point as is the obviously inaccurate ones well-nigh major sailing events (such as the regatta) not stuff worldly-wise to take place considering of the trip berth. Most importantly though, is the lack of any suggestion of viable alternatives. We’re all well-set that the Harbour is a wonderful mindfulness and we hope it will protract to be but it is a 200 year old piece of infrastructure with significant maintenance and operational costs. As a councillor, would you and your party be in favour of DLRCOCO funding these financing on an ongoing basis? Should the Yacht clubs be charged a significant percentage? The sailing schools? The RNLI? Should we put a turnstile on the pier? Lofty ideals without specific suggestions in a dismissive piece like this help nobody. Colm OssianPost authorAugust 12, 2015 at 5:57 pmPermalink Hi Colm Thanks for your comments. The icon of 247 spare trip ships comes from page 19 of the DKM economic impact document which is linked whilom and is part of the planning submission. Berthing fees were unscientific on page 72 of the 2011 DKM report (also linked above). This report predicted that the Harbour visitor would be worldly-wise to collect €10 per passenger per day in berthing fees – a total of up to €50,000 per large trip ship per day. I didn’t suggest that the regatta would be affected. However the yacht clubs have pointed out that youth sail training and other events that take place within the harbour would be curtailed. See this letter: http://www.ossiansmyth.ie/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Letter_from_JMK_to_Harbour_Company.pdf The Harbour should try to recover its running financing from commercial worriedness – but this project is not commercially viable. The ownership of the Harbour is in the process of stuff transferred to the council. If the specimen arises in future that the Harbour is owned by the steering and has made a deficit for the year, I would support using steering revenue to meet that deficit. In the same way, large parks and leisure facilities do not unchangingly imbricate their financing within the county but have positive mindfulness benefits for the public. Don McManusAugust 13, 2015 at 7:38 pmPermalink Ossian Which Cobh did you visit and how many merchantry people did you talk to?Consideringthis is NOT what the BID visitor found when there a few weeks ago. Please listen to this and make scuttlebutt on our findings. http://www.dunlaoghaire.ie/cruise-ships-fact-finding-mission-to-cobh/ OssianPost authorAugust 13, 2015 at 10:51 pmPermalink Don That audio piece was a unconfined idea. Jack Walsh, the manager of the Cobh Heritage Centre says the same things in your audio prune that I heard: “you will get some spinoff but it’s not what you would expect” Don Mc ManusAugust 14, 2015 at 10:04 amPermalink Ossian You have taken one snippit from one person we interviewed and he goes on to qualify his statement to the undisciplined when he realised how tropical the town was to the harbour . With respect Ossian , I have to quote Paul Simon here and this is true for all politicians, ” the man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest” Patrick NolanAugust 16, 2015 at 6:03 pmPermalink Ossian, Thank you for highlighting the details of the plans in relation to the trip ships. I hope that the granting of permission to construct a double dock for trip ships at Dublin Port will midpoint that Dun Laoghaire Harbour’s using will be rejected; this madcap plan would be a disaster for this area. It is imperative that as many people as possible submit an objection to this proposal. Patrick PS Please add me to your mailing list OssianPost authorAugust 17, 2015 at 7:30 amPermalink Thanks for your comments Patrick Ossian Don Mc manusAugust 17, 2015 at 9:07 amPermalink Ossian Just in specimen the Greens missed this one . IRISH TIMES Plans to dump 10m tonnes of waste in Dublin Bay spoken Dublin PortVisitoraccused of ‘pre-meditated and cynical’ timing of notification Households received leaflets from Fine Gale referendum candidate Stephanie North informing them of the plans to dump waste in Dublin Bay without concerns the move may go all but unnoticed. File photograph: Alan Betson/The Irish Times Duncan SheppardOctober 12, 2015 at 11:02 pmPermalink It could be possible for Dun Laoghaire to winnow small trip ships. I did a Google image search of small trip ships, and I got some very interesting results. I discovered that some of the small trip ships could be classed as the same size as ferries, and if small trip ships did come into Dun Laoghaire they could use the two existing vacant ferry ports. This would make far increasingly sense rather than wasting a huge value of money which would be far largest spent rejuvenating Dun Laoghaire. Leave a Reply Cancel reply Your email write will not be published. Required fields are marked *Comment Name * Email * Website Archives September 2017 February 2017 December 2016 January 2016 November 2015 October 2015 August 2015 July 2015 April 2015 February 2015 December 2014 October 2014 September 2014 August 2014 May 2014 April 2014 March 2014 January 2014 Meta Log in Copyright © 2018 Ossian Smyth. 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