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Dublin Bus proposes route changes for Dún Laoghaire, Sallynoggin and Loughlinstown – Ossian Smyth Ossian Smyth Green Party Councillor for Dún Laoghaire Menu HomeWell-nighme Priorities Latest News Press Get involved Donate Contact Dublin Bus proposes route changes for Dún Laoghaire, Sallynoggin and Loughlinstown Dublin Bus wants to retread routes and timetables for their bus services in Dun Laoghaire, Sallynoggin and Loughlinstown. The changes would stupefy routes: 7, 7b, 7d, 45a, 63 and 59. Routes 8 and 111 would be cancelled. Proposed changes to bus routes in Dun Laoghaire The proposed changes are in this document: Dunlaoghaire Sallynoggin and Loughlinstown Bus Review 2015 Who would lose out? McIntosh Park and Killiney village will lose the 59 service to Dalkey / Dun Laoghaire. Loughlinstown Park loses the 111 service to Dun Laoghaire and loses a third of its services on route 7. Residents of Sallynoggin will have to trek over to the Sally Glen Road to reservation a  7 into town (the 45A will go through Sallynoggin to get people into Dun Laoghaire) Clonkeen Rd and Deansgrange lose the 63 Residents of Maretimo in Blackrock village will have to walk to the shirk to reservation a bus into town. Dalkey loses the 8 (which mostly follows the DART line) Johnstown Road, Johnstown Court, Oakdale Drive and Granitefield lose the 59 Who gains? McIntosh Park and Pottery Road get the 63 Hillcourt manor and Avondale Road get the 7 on Sally Glen Road Barclay Court gets the 7 on Frascati Road Cherrywood’s service increases from 1 bus to 2 buses per hour. Loughlinstown Hospital, Shankill village and Churchview Road will get a half-hourly 59 service to Dalkey and Dún Laoghaire Shorter routes should midpoint faster journey times. Why is Dublin Bus waffly these routes? Dublin Bus has lost nearly a third of its government funding in the past seven years. Fares have risen to make up the shortfall. The visitor is under pressure to cut unpopular services and reallocate buses to increasingly popular routes. These changes are a continuation of the “Network Direct” exercise in 2012 when bus routes were straightened out or curtailed. Dublin Bus PSO payments This is only half the story. Dublin Bus moreover receives replacement buses from the state and a grant to imbricate the self-ruling travel scheme. In 2013, these spare payments were worth €49m to Dublin Bus. Dublin Bus is not in dire straits. Their passenger numbers are increasing, they have little debt and they plane made a €10m profit last year. So these are not cuts of necessity. Is this a good thing? Straightening routes is a good thing considering it speeds up journey times  but there are other ways to improve the service and vamp increasingly passengers. Areas with older residents that depend on local bus routes should not be left without a service. When the DART service began in 1984, CIE promised feeder routes that would take people from the inland suburbs to the tailspin to workbench the shiny train. For the past 30 years those services have been unplumbed and often pointless due to low frequencies and unreliability to the point of randomness.  Real time passenger information has definitely helped to deal with the stress of waiting forlornly at a stop wondering if the bus will overly come. However the NTA should now be enforcing predictable services that meet the timetable – particularly outside of rush hours when the traffic jam excuse does not apply. A major deterrent to using the bus service is the risk of stuff let lanugo and Dublin Bus needs to win when trust  to win when passengers. Dwell times are too long considering the drivers are still required to collect fares and scan leap cards.Increasinglydelays happen because the drivers do not unceasingly unshut the centre doors. The stage fare system is too complicated for anyone to follow. It needs to be replaced with a simple zonal system that passengers and staff can understand. Fattening the pig for privatisation? It may be that these routes are stuff reverted to indulge them to be bundled up and offered to a private operator. What happens now? The visualization well-nigh route changes is made by Dublin Bus and the National Transport Authority.  Both of these organisations wordplay to the minister for Transport, Paschal Donohue. A public consultation is likely to be held surpassing a visualization is made. Local councillors are briefed by Dublin Bus and may make submission to Dublin Bus and the NTA but they ultimately have no visualization making power in the process. A special meeting of Dún Laoghaire’s steering zone committee has been tabbed for Thursday 23rd July to discuss these plans. Dublin Bus has been asked to attend. What do you think? Write in a scuttlebutt unelevated and tell Dublin Bus what you think: feedback@dublinbus.ie Dublin Bus will hold an unshut information day in Dun Laoghaire Shopping Centre on Friday 31 July 2015 between 1200 and 1600 hours. Update 31/August/2015 I wrote to he NTA to ask them well-nigh their involvement in these changes. Their response is here: Letter from NTA re: changes to DLR bus routes   Dublin Bus proposes route changes for Dún Laoghaire, Sallynoggin and Loughlinstown Ossian July 7, 2015August 31, 2015 Latest News 28 Comments ← ALDI finally tried for Sallynoggin – Lidl now unlikely Eircode Routing Keys – all 139 of them → 28 thoughts on “Dublin Bus proposes route changes for Dún Laoghaire, Sallynoggin and Loughlinstown” MegJuly 7, 2015 at 5:07 pmPermalink Well, I must say it is good new for residents in Cherrywood. One bus per hour was not unbearable and sometimes that one would not turn up or turn up late. I have often decided to walk onto the next stop if the bus due in Cherrywood was increasingly than 15 minutes late and it has often arrived then and passed me while walking to the next stop. So at long last, thank you Dublin Bus. Patrick BrophyJuly 7, 2015 at 9:53 pmPermalink I have mixed feelings over these changes, partially positive. For a start, the new route for the 59 is often welcomed as it is stuff given a much needed straightening out. The biggest plus to it is that it will bring people well within the vicinity of the Luas Green Line given that it will just be a short stroll away. It will moreover connect Dalkey with Ballybrack and Wyattville Road which was previously not the specimen and moreover a frequent and uncontrived connection to the N11 on the Shankill side. The negativity comes from hearing that the 8 is to be discontinued and calling the 7d an alternative. Instead, the 7d and 8 should be unionized to form a proper bus route going to Stillorgan and then on to UCD and the rest of the way into town. Maintaining the current undertow of the 8 into town doesn’t make that much sense as it is substantially a indistinguishable of the DART passed Monkstown. Conversely, sending it up to Stillorgan and then tent the rest of the N11 from that point onwards would make far increasingly sense. The biggest reason is that it’s new purpose would resuscitate it’s marketability. Moreover, the frequency of a route is one of it’s main selling points.Planea clock-face hourly schedule during the week and a 90 minutely service at the weekend would be a good start to work from. A peak hour only service is a ways to an end given the lack of flexibility it gives would-be passengers. Most services operate between roughly 7AM and 11PM. The re-routing of the 7 is probably the biggest welcome of them all given that two of the most time consuming portions of it’s route are stuff skipped (Sallynoggin and expressly Newtown Avenue). Combined, the omission of these two stretches should shave well-nigh 20 minutes off the journey length. As a result, this should encourage less people to drive. Speed is one of the most important factors in making public transport increasingly attractive. OssianPost authorJuly 8, 2015 at 7:42 amPermalink Meg: Cherrywood unmistakably needs a largest bus service for workers and residents. I worked in Sandyford IndustrialManorbefore the Luas and the bus service was unusable. At the end of each day you might get left standing for an hour or more. There was huge demand but Dublin Bus could not unhook a unspoiled service. Patrick: Public transport connections between some obvious destinations in the county are very weak. How do you get from UCD to Blackrock? or from UCD to Sandyford? or from Sandyford to Blackrock? The 47 and 114 are too sparse for the populations they serve. For many years, private employers have provided bus services for their employees in Sandyford to try to fill the gap. KimJuly 9, 2015 at 9:37 amPermalink Very inconvenient transpiration for the residents of Sallynoggin, a significant proportion are elderly and rely on the bus service and it is quite a walk to the Sally glen Rd. Also, if using later at night you would need to walk the long way virtually as either wearing through the when of the denomination or walking through the field at Rochestown thoroughfare wouldn’t be feasible. Patrick BrophyJuly 9, 2015 at 9:14 pmPermalink Hi Ossian, I completely stipulate with your comments well-nigh Blackrock, Sandyford and UCD. However, answering your questions, to get to UCD from Blackrock is a short bus ride on the 17 while Sandyford is served by the 114 and Sandyford to UCD is covered by the 47. I do think the frequency of the 17 is winning during the week if a little bit scarce in the evenings but and very irregular on Sundays operating pretty much 2 hourly. The 114 could do with a little increase in its frequency during the day with a service or two later into the night perhaps, at 22:00 and 23:00. There a lot of gaps in the 47 timetable, particularly at peak times that need filling in. In short, Blackrock should match the same levels of service as Dun Laoghaire. Nevertheless, it still has the 4 and 7 buses which are fantastic.Whento the matter at hand though. I do think Dalkey moreover needs a frequent unbearable service into town albeit, not one which increasingly or less mirrors the DART. What I’m talking well-nigh is a proper 7 day a week, hourly service operating withal the Stillorgan Road tent UCD, Donnybrook and St. Stephen’s Green. Now is the perfect time to merge the 7d and 8 for such a purpose with a possible extension on the Dalkey end up to Killiney Village to pick up the slack of the re-routed 59. It could start off in Killiney Village and then work its way lanugo Killiney Road. At the archway to Killiney Hill, it would take a left turn lanugo Saval Park Road. It would then turn right onto BarnhillThoroughfaretent the unshortened stretch. Then, flipside right would be taken onto Barnhill Road. From Dalkey, it could imbricate Ulverton/Hyde Road->Castlepark Road->Barnhill Road->Upper Glenageary Road->Kill Avenue->Abbey Road->Monkstown Ringroad->Stillorgan Village and then on into town. What do you think? Padraig O'DeaJuly 10, 2015 at 9:19 pmPermalink 7 Route: It seems a good idea to stave going into Blackrock village (or part of it) on the journey into Dublin. … not all transpiration is bad ! AnonamusJuly 12, 2015 at 2:48 pmPermalink I am stuck at both ends of the treatise as I am working in Cherrywood I would be over the moon to see increasingly buses going up that far. Given this re majority of the time when the 7 does show up at the cherrywood stop (usually 10 minutes late!) the bus becomes out of service forcing its passengers to take a 10/15 minute walk to the stop at ashlawn park from then we have to wait for the bus to come from loughlinstown however living in sallynoggin the loss of the 7 will be a major blow, I am enlightened that the 7 will pass through sally glen road however this will add an uneaten 15 minutes to my journey twice daily. I moreover finger profoundly for the elderly in the sallynoggin areas as not so long ago the local post office was taken out of main shops and moved to centra on the top of the noggin hill meaning some older residents relied on the 7 to bring them there and back. If traveling from sallynoggin to dun laoghaire via the no.7 residents will be as quick to walk as to walk to the top of the hill is half the journey what is the point of getting the bus for the sack of 1 stop! However I am well enlightened that with sallynoggin having a large number of elderly residents this may not be feasible. Lisa KelleherJuly 13, 2015 at 3:38 pmPermalink I think it is a bad idea to transpiration new routes and I unchangingly get the 45a bus to bring me into bray and i don’t want that bus to get off rochestown road. Andrew McDonnellJuly 19, 2015 at 3:59 pmPermalink KILLINEY VILLAGE MAROONED- Village 1km from bus route. 2km from DART. Village located atop steep hill – no post office, no supermarket, no chemist etc. No transport for the many hotel workers. No transport for tourists to hotel or village. No bus to the two churches. Elderly, disabled etc will be marooned on the hill without Public Transport. Despite rumours, not all inhabitants of Killiney are millionaires or have wangle to cars. Provide at least a daytime service to facilitate polity Michael J WalshJuly 22, 2015 at 7:53 amPermalink Hi Ossian, Is this Bus Consultation unquestionably open? I cannot find the Consultation Document on either the Dublin Bus or NTA websites. Thanks for making it misogynist on your site. OssianPost authorJuly 22, 2015 at 11:40 amPermalink The consultation document was provided to councillors by Dublin Bus. The consultation does not towards to be unshut to the public yet and may yet be amended surpassing then. There is no harm in emailing them in any case. Tom MulhallJuly 22, 2015 at 2:51 pmPermalink It’s a disgrace that the people of Sallynoggin are been treated this way… In 1985 they had passing thru the zone the 7 -7A -45A -58 &111 The 7A went to Pearse Villas The 7 to Ballybrack &other 111 58 to Shankill 45a to Bray Now all they will have is the 45A which will shirk the top end of the noggin… In an ageing zone the old will not be worldly-wise to get to Blackrock or vastitude 3 schools in Sallynoggin bring students from all over the surrounding areas… I hope the people in tuition of Dublin bus don’t have ageing parents that rely on public transport OssianPost authorJuly 22, 2015 at 4:11 pmPermalink Rochestown House (retirement accommodation) and the National Rehab hospital will both lose their all-day 45a service to Dún Laoghaire. Rochestown Ave needs to be widened and made safer for pedestrians and cyclists and it needs a bus service Roger HurleyJuly 22, 2015 at 5:09 pmPermalink I think the loss to Killiney Village of the service to Dun Laoghaire is increasingly significant than the loss of the service to Dalkey, as a result of the proposed changes to the 59 bus route. The ‘popularity’ or ‘unpopularity’ of a route has nothing to do with its importance or the social goody it provides. As for ‘straightening the route’, the straighter the route the fewer people it serves. To cut off Killiney Village for the sake of a detour of whimsically increasingly than a mile is insulting and offensive. jacinta skellyJuly 23, 2015 at 4:56 pmPermalink I am likely to be unauthentic by the disappearance of the 8 route. The DART is a good 10 minutes walk yonder – no problem if you’re young but we are not. Merging the 7d and 8 and making a much increasingly frequent service is a good idea and I am sure if it were regular unbearable it would be largest used. PatJuly 26, 2015 at 5:20 pmPermalink I will be very disappointed if the 8 bus is removed. While it has very few buses, they are often punctual & the journey to the municipality from Glenageary is much increasingly efficient due to the fact it doesn’t go through Dun Laoghaire going to town or returning. A BIG BONUS EllenJuly 31, 2015 at 6:58 amPermalink If you remove the 59 bus from Johnstown road we the residents of Johnstown road and all of Johnstown manor as well as Granitefield Oakdale and Johnstown Court have no bus service. The 63 bus only services the lower end of Johnstown road where there are very few residents. you have once removed the 7a please do not remove the 59 personally I cannot walk to the graduate or the N11 to get public transport. Why has the 59 to go up Churchview road there are two other buses on that route. When the 59 is coming from Cherrywood why not travel up the N11 and up Johnstown road and on to Dalkey. Please do not leave this large residential zone without a bus service. Thank you I hope you will consider this suggested route for the 59 bus. OssianPost authorJuly 31, 2015 at 11:14 amPermalink Thanks Ellen, Jacinta, Roger and Pat for your comments. I will include the points you make when I make my submission to Dublin Bus and the NTA. Catherine FitzGeraldAugust 1, 2015 at 4:40 pmPermalink Some separate thoughts here: Removing the 7 bus from Sallynoggin is wool madness. the track is in the word “service”. If the bus stop is too far from you that is not a useful service. The 7 route can be a torturous one if you are trying to get into town so wearing out parts would make it quicker-but so would removing most of the stops. Let’s do that! Just have first stop and last stop, save petrol and time. The passengers? Ah well sure they can use cars, just what we need increasingly of. There is local demand for people to travel to Dun Laoghaire for shopping, hospital etc. How well-nigh a local bus pursuit a circular route from say, Cherrywood (like the present 7 route), to Dun Laoghaire, running regularly and frequently? OssianPost authorAugust 1, 2015 at 7:04 pmPermalink Thanks Catherine – good suggestion well-nigh having a local circular route. Sadie DelaneyAugust 5, 2015 at 1:09 pmPermalink I stipulate with Ellen’0s comments well-nigh losing the 59 bus . The 59 serviced the upper part of Johnstown Rd bringing passengers to the dart. With the proposed changes,this zone which has mixed age group of workers, pensioners etc .will suffer with no wangle to the sprint to get into Dublin municipality centre. Can you find out if there will be a bus at Bridesglen terminus which could service the Johnstown zone of Cabinteely. This seems to be a forgotten area. Can you please review this again.Many thanks,apologies if this zone has been taken superintendency of. Sarah duffyAugust 13, 2015 at 9:48 pmPermalink I only found out today well-nigh these changes. My kids get the bus from Dalkey to Killiney village without school. This will be a disaster for us waffly the route. It’s only a 20 minute walk for adults but it’s a long walk for young kids. Michael J WalshAugust 26, 2015 at 6:02 pmPermalink Hi Ossian, I only today discovered that the proposed (decided?) route changes in the Sallynoggin zone were published on the Dublin Bus website on 27 July and “feedback” was sought by 14 August. Just four days notice was given of the 4-hour “Information Day” in Dún Laoghaire Shopping Centre (with no details of exactly where in that premises) on Friday 31 July. Despite the so-called role of the NTA in specifying levels of bus service, there was no mention of any feedback option to that body. It is difficult to see the purported consultation as anything other than a joke, or in Dev’s words, an empty formula. Website publication is not a substitute for old-style printed notices in the areas affected, the notice period for the “Information Day” was ludicrously short, and the 3-week response period was unreasonable, given the lack of sensation on the part of many users of the services of the proposed “improvements” (by withdrawal of service). It seems well-spoken that it’s a washed-up deal, but you may be worldly-wise to make some representations on behalf of local bus users. In my case, I had surgery on 31 July and by dint of convalescence, I was not in a position to squint at the matter then until very recently. I will endeavour to put in some feedback by Friday this week. Regards, Michael J. Walsh OssianPost authorAugust 26, 2015 at 9:48 pmPermalink Hi Michael Sorry to hear you were ill. I stipulate that the liaison is not unbearable – too few people people knew well-nigh the changes. Dublin Bus has plenty of razzmatazz space on buses and bus stops that they could use. They should moreover leaflet the relevant areas. I made a written submission which included the points I made above, while taking on workbench the comments made by people here and sent to me by email. If you forward me any comments you have, I will send them directly to the towardly people in Dublin Bus. I have written to the NTA to ask them why the consultation was not on their web site and if they have standards for how consultations are held and promoted. I will let you know what they say. Kind regards Ossian Veronica KaneSeptember 3, 2015 at 8:29 pmPermalink The 63 route…will that be still going through monkstown sublet then on to pottery road? My kids go to cabinteely polity school so it will be unconfined but they get the 63 in the farm. The map shows the 63 going from dunlaoghaire to bakers corner so we’re not sure if it’s wearing out monkstown farm. Thanks OssianPost authorSeptember 4, 2015 at 7:19 amPermalink Hi Veronica The plan is that the 63 would protract the same route through the farm. Ossian Gary burtonOctober 28, 2015 at 3:50 pmPermalink I dont want any of the routes to transpiration considering its a waste of money and it can rationalization a lot of problems for other people Ciaran FlynnOctober 25, 2016 at 10:33 amPermalink Are all these changes going ahead? As there are new bus stops been erected on pottery road i seem they are. Its a disgrace really, nobody cares well-nigh the joe punter anymore in this country Leave a Reply Cancel reply Your email write will not be published. Required fields are marked *Comment Name * Email * Website Archives September 2017 February 2017 December 2016 January 2016 November 2015 October 2015 August 2015 July 2015 April 2015 February 2015 December 2014 October 2014 September 2014 August 2014 May 2014 April 2014 March 2014 January 2014 Meta Log in Copyright © 2018 Ossian Smyth. 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